Let’s talk about legendary Pokémon

So this image was doing the rounds a little while ago.

It’s a bit compressed by the format of my blog, so here’s a link where you can see it full-sized: http://i.imgur.com/mbPDZ94.jpg

I vaguely recall promising someone I would talk about this at some point, since I agree with some of what it says, but think that other parts are a bit simplistic, and others based on faulty assumptions.

So, basically – obviously enough – this purports to be a ‘family tree’ of sorts, showing the connections between all known legendary Pokémon and the way they relate to each other.  The basic concept is more or less sound.  I think it’s debatable whether the content of the Pokémon world’s myths can be, or is intended to be, taken as fact – in some places, Game Freak seem to imply that Arceus isn’t actually the creator of the universe, just a very powerful Pokémon who was worshiped as the creator by the people of ancient Sinnoh, while in other places they seem to state quite unequivocally “yes Arceus is god shut up.”  I think it’s debatable.  Most of what we know about Arceus is in-universe information from the perspective of modern humans, who (as they freely admit) don’t know much about anything.  Still, setting that particular debate firmly aside for the moment, since it’s clearly beyond the scope of what this schema aims to deal with anyway… Some of the ideas are interesting, but I take issue with some of the specifics, which I shall discuss herein:

– I am mystified by the author’s choice to connect Latias and Latios with Dialga.  I can only assume that this stems from the twins’ species designation – the Eon Pokémon – since an eon is a period of time (an extremely long one).  However, they don’t actually have any time-related powers, or any obvious connection with time other than that name.  The only convincing explanation I’ve ever seen for the designation “Eon Pokémon” is that it’s a reference to the Gnostic concept of the Aeons, a series of divine beings understood as ’emanations’ of God (this is a… complicated idea that goes back to Neoplatonist movement of the third century AD, and ultimately has its routes in the doctrine of creation put forward by Plato’s Timaeus, where all reality is thought of as an expression of the mind of the creator, but let’s not go there).  The fact that they exist as a male/female pair (the defining characteristic of Gnostic Aeons, who are unable to fulfill their proper functions in the absence of their counterparts), along with their Psychic typing, are what makes this theory attractive to me.  In short, I don’t think time has anything to do with it, and I don’t think Latias and Latios are directly subordinate to Dialga.  In fact, I think it’s really very difficult to say anything about Latias and Latios other than that they are extremely powerful and intelligent Psychic Pokémon, since there are no stories about them.  They are explicitly said to be herd animals (even though we never actually see them in herds) and they are especially good at sensing emotion, but that’s about it.  I honestly suspect they have no part in the mythology at all.  If they do, and if they are intended to recall the Aeons of Gnosticism, they have some very strange implications for the nature of the Pokémon universe since Gnosticism is based around the idea that the creator (i.e. Arceus) is actually imperfect, and that the physical world is a result of the creator’s flawed nature and acts as a barrier to union with the true divine force.  The Aeons themselves, however, are above that, which would make Latias and Latios, theoretically, a more pure version of what Arceus is supposed to be.  Again, though, in the absence of any firm evidence, I’m hesitant even to give them a place in the cosmology.

– I likewise dispute associating Deoxys with Palkia, since I think this just relies on a fundamental misunderstanding of the word ‘space.’  We often use ‘space’ to refer to everything outside of our own planet, which I think is the sense being employed here – Deoxys is believed to be an alien life form, so must therefore fall under the domain of the ruler of ‘space.’  The trouble is that, when we say that Palkia controls ‘space,’ a very different sense of the word is meant – the three dimensions of space, the x, y and z axes, if you will, the kind of ‘space’ which is occupied by things that have volume.  This ‘space’ does not end at the earth’s atmosphere; everything on Earth exists and moves in these three dimensions, including us.  Deoxys does fall under Palkia’s domain, this is true – but so does every other Pokémon, just as everything that is, was, and will be is within Dialga’s sphere of influence.  There is absolutely no reason to suggest a particularly close link between Deoxys and Palkia, any more than there is to suggest a link between Palkia and Sentret.  What is interesting about Deoxys is that, since it doesn’t seem to be from earth, it’s clearly outside the traditional influence of most other legendary Pokémon.  Deoxys is clearly not descended from Mew, for instance (we know it grew from a virus).  It presumably has no connection with Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf.  Is it even part of the creation of Arceus at all?  I’m not sure.

– The association of Kyogre, Groudon and Rayquaza with Palkia, I can only assume, is to be taken as an assertion that Palkia created the physical world – since it exists in space?  This, again, seems like a faulty link – the earth, sea and sky exist in time as well, so why not connect them with Dialga?  For that matter, since Arceus supposedly created the world, doesn’t it make more sense to assume that those three primal forces were his creations as well?

– I am skeptical of giving Cobalion, Virizion, Terrakion and Keldeo a special role in the cosmology.  Their backstory very much seems to suggest that they were reacting to what they saw as human aggression and recklessness.  They weren’t set up as guardians by Arceus at the beginning of time or anything like that; they took on that role themselves.  Dispute Cobalion, Virizion and Terrakion if you must, but Keldeo is definitely a late addition to their group, and nothing suggests that he was anything special before deciding to join them.  The interesting implication here is that they were not born as legendary Pokémon, but achieved that status later in life.

– I am extremely skeptical of the notion that Regigigas was created by humans.  True, Regigigas and its subordinate creations do have a complicated relationship with humanity (to wit: Regice, Regirock and Registeel were sealed away by humans who feared their power, and Regigigas’ own eternal sleep is presumably – though not necessarily – a result of that same action against them) but the mere fact that Regigigas is supposed to have towed continents (an aetiology for continental drift) surely implies that it is far, far older than humanity.

– Although the belief that Giratina was banished by Arceus is clearly what is supported by the extant mythology, I can’t help but think that a more critical reading may be necessary here.  The events of Platinum version make it clear that Giratina and the Distortion World actually serve a vital purpose in maintaining the balance of forces in the real world.  The Distortion World stabilises our own reality – and, indeed, is so effective at doing so that Dialga and Palkia, the masters of time and space, working in tandem, are unable to destroy it as long as the Distortion World exists.  In fact, the way Cynthia describes it, the Distortion World almost seems like a kind of photo negative to the real world – a backup copy that can be used to repair any damage done to the fabric of existence.  Giratina, it is implied, guards and protects that universe.  Responsibility for an entire universe seems like an awfully important job to give to a being that was “banished for its violence.”  I think it’s more likely that Giratina gained that reputation later on, based on accounts by humans who encountered it for one reason or another and fell afoul of its territorial nature, and that its actual role in Arceus’ creation was originally quite different.

– Finally, I have my own interpretation of Mew, although I’m aware that this one is rather idiosyncratic and many will disagree.  See, I don’t believe that Mew is the ancestor of all Pokémon at all.  I believe that the scientists who originally came to that conclusion prior to the events of Red and Blue were using very faulty logic.  The evidence for this claim is that Mew appears to contain the DNA of all Pokémon, which is how she is able to Transform into any of them and use all of their powers – but that is simply not how evolution works.  The whole point of evolution is that organisms change; an ancestor wouldn’t have all of its descendants’ DNA.  The ‘canon’ explanation of what Mew is just doesn’t make sense.  You can read about what I think is really going on in this entry.

That’s just what jumps out at me.  I might come up with some other points to disagree with if I ever try to examine all of the legendary Pokémon in detail, as I have with Mew.  But that’s another rant entirely.

This question is about the one you recently answered about trying to fill out the Pokemon ecosystem to give variety cabon copy Pokemon. I ask because I agree with both you and the questioner, so I wonder if different forms would be a solution? Instead of Goldeen and Finneon, they could be treated as 1 Pokemon with the same stats abilities and movepools, but have their different names and appearances. They would be looked up in the same place in the Pokedex, under a name like Fin Swimmer or w/e.

Maybe?  I do feel that the idea of Pokémon forms is underused, and this would definitely be a good way of showing that kind of variety in future generations – instead of a new bird Pokémon that’s basically the same thing as Pidgey anyway, just call it what it is and create a regional variation of Pidgey (maybe with slightly different powers, a la Nidoran?).  Saves time and effort.  I don’t think I’d want to condense any existing Pokémon, though.  I mean, we have them now, so I think it makes more sense to try and create more points of difference for them, give them more uniqueness and individuality.  My real problem is that Game Freak just aren’t interested in doing that because continuing to add more new Pokémon is their top priority – excusable, I suppose, given that it’s been proven by experience to keep the franchise going, but it still bugs me.

Have you ever played any of the non-handheld Pokemon games or spinoffs? If you have a Gamecube or Wii available, Colosseum and Gale of Darkness definitely give some change to the typical Pokemon games. I loved how Instead of just using only 1 Type of Pokemon with no real synergy like Gym Leaders, bosses had various themes and strategies for the Double Battles, (Like Skill Swapping with a Slaking).

I don’t own any other consoles, nor have I ever really been able to justify the expense of buying them, so no, I’m afraid not.

Which rival is your favourite, and why?

Hmm.

I’m going to have to go with Silver.  Silver starts off just as amazingly dickish as Blue ever was, if not more so, but he has this wonderful arc of growth and development where he learns to care for his Pokémon and work with them in a beautiful union of friendship – and the thing that I find truly wonderful about all this is that, in the end, he’s still a dick.  Learning to love his Pokémon doesn’t magically change the fact that he is gruff, withdrawn, condescending and just all-around unlikable, which makes that positive shift feel so much more realistic, and emphasises that Silver, like everyone, has both good and bad in him.

Suppose you went over to the dark side because they had cookies. You have your choice to join whichever evil Team you like. Which would it be, and why?

Hmm.  Well, Team Plasma are kind of Ghetsis’ silly brainwashed minions, Teams Aqua and Magma are almost entirely built around a stunning failure to appreciate the basic principles of ecology, and Team Galactic go a little too far for my tastes with their plan to, y’know, destroy the universe, so I suppose I’m going to have to stick to the basics and go with Team Rocket.  They have a sensible goal (money and power, in whatever quantities are achievable), they have no deluded master scheme that would threaten to derail their other plans and/or wipe out modern civilisation, they have a sensible command structure and effective recruiting strategies, and although they lack Team Galactic’s technological supremacy, they’ve still shown they can pull out some fairly impressive scientific expertise when the need arises.  Besides, none of the other teams have an awesome motto.

CHRIS who did you kill for this url

The man who owned it before I did was a profoundly disturbed fellow who used to travel the world with a pointed stick, jabbing people without provocation (hence “poke maniacal”), and post images of his conquests.  He asked me for the time one day while I was in a hurry, so I slew him in single combat using his own pointed stick, stole his wallet, clothes, and identity, sold his children into slavery in a Vietnamese sweatshop, and gave him a Viking funeral.

One could argue that I overreacted but it is a very nice URL.

Why do you ignore Lilligants access to Own Tempo and Petal Dance? It’s one of the only Pokemon that can use a move like that with no consequence!

Because it’s still a bad idea.

The confusion isn’t even really the worst part of moves like Petal Dance, because you can always just switch out.  The trouble is being locked into those moves, and unable to switch out, while they continue.  Dragon-types can get away with using Outrage because so few Pokémon resist Dragon attacks, and even then it’s kind of a gamble.  If you’re using Petal Dance, your opponent basically has a free switch to any of the seven elements that resist Grass attacks (and if Petal Dance keeps going for a third turn and gives the switch-in a chance to set up, you might really be in trouble).

I mean, it’s not useless, but it’s not really good enough that it becomes a better option than Chlorophyll.

I was looking at your review of the Sewaddle family and I noticed that you said you don’t get why Swadloon looks so grumpy, it’s actually a joke that Swadloon is a hikikomori, to evolve it has to be truly happy (I think Gamefreak put that in as an aesop) Leavanny’s Japanese name is even a pun on it!

What did I actually say about Swadloon?  I’m not sure I even remember.  I’ll look it up.

Oh yeah.  Yeah, that’s right.  I didn’t really get it, but I still liked it.  Hmm.  Well, I have no idea what a hikikomori is, but I’ll take your word for it that it makes sense.